She kept a lookout during the Tate-LaBianca murders, but didn't participate. That mid 50s to mid 60s period may have been one of the first times that families began finding out that there was more to parenting than provision and discipline.Diane Lake is the one I really feel for, being 13 at the time her parents started roaming the universe and pushed her into the vortex. There but for the grace of.go you and I. // -->, Manson Blog Tour 2020! lol your insight is interesting reading.. To me, it was just what was happening as I went through it.As for there being alternative possibilities, that's rather like saying there was a Wednesday last week. Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. [And Bugliosi leads a reluctant Kasabian to the answer he wants. Manson, the mastermind criminal with an "uncanny ability" to brainwash people sent a girl who was on the ranch for a only a few weeks out on a murder mission, and didn't tell her the plan apparently.because she was licensed to drive?NOW. But again, while Susan was playing ball, Linda was surplus to requirements.and helping her knock Atkins out of the boxThat's the part I really don't believe. It was mentioned but the actual 'only two who had one' argument to explain why Kasabian was sent was made at the Watson trial. Thank you, orwhut, for lightening the mood. And what that says to me is any answer that follows that last question is unreliable. Another interesting point: Kasabian never said the motive was Helter Skelter. Some I'm not done pondering, some need more research and I am trying to find an expert or two. Of course there could have been alternative possibilities. That's not the way I use it at all. I thought Lake Victoria was the source of denial, but it appears to be somewhere in New Hampshire.Mother Kasabian is one of those people who live in a vacuum, in some freaky parallel universe.Linda didn't make a binary change to 16 year old, dropout, and rogue's bride as characterized. [Kanarek realizes something is wrong but whiffs by making too many objections and making them in the wrong order. HS crawled in 4th out of 6.Personally, I suspect that the ease and commonality with which Helter skelter is dismissed reflects a discomfort with the notion of God communicating, religion and the spiritual realm being taken seriously. She participated in terrible crimes, and then left her child with the people who she knew committed them.Then she flipped on those people too.Who could trust Linda? How does Linda represent the "Human" side of the Manson story?? Always was. WOW! Atkins did tell the Grand Jury Sharon was still roped up even though Abigail had escaped her ropes. He was a talented musician and her initial days at the ranch were filled with LSD, music, stories, dancing around and orgies. So WHY was Bugliosi and or the DA so obsessed with getting Charles Manson instead ? Clear and simple, murder. Of course he knew from the start the jury would question this. Now, when you say the middle of the night do you mean 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning or do you mean midnight? Kids who got in trouble in school and did not finish high school- and most of them don't go on to become murderers. But Versailles partly contributed to that and some of what he did for Germany was good. So if I appear to be defending her or anyone else that is generally presented as unsavoury, it's because I think there should be a balance to anyone spoken about.Even Charles Watson. Can't we all just get along? George Stimson reckons it was because she owed him, after Charlie had protected her from her husband and Charles Melton when they came to get their $5000 back. But I'll say no more and wait for the film to be released.Also, if you believe what is written in the Guinn book, while she didn't say Kasabian engaged in any violent acts, she claims she didn't do any of what she said on the stand. LolI thought you sent me there for the motive bit. Even with all the people that eventually formed part of the huge patchwork needed to make Manson's role make sense, without an Atkins, a Van Houten, a Krenwinkel, a Watson or a Kasabian, the case was so limp and that's why people would say to the prosecution things like "shame you had to be landed with such a bummer !". Robert, Robert, Robert, I'm really confused. How do we know she didn't take part in some act of violence?Lo' and be hold, Bugliosi had a perfect scenario to answer this very important question and yet, when one looks at where that apartment was, it seems like another kill two birds with one stone job. Defense counsel were not 'the Dream Team'. I will not praise Deb because she is awesome and already knows it.But no mention of LADY DANGEROUS? Manson Mythos saidThe problem is Grim, Bugliosi painted a portrait of her as being different. But then I would likely have to put her on the stand and that would not go well. document.write(part3 + ''); Retrospectively however..Linda K. is the perfect choise for examination IF you want to discover a more human side of the Manson Family StoryThat tends to be my chosen angle of approach because for me, it is a very human story, encompassing a large scope of culture, society, rebellion against it, motivation etc. St Circumstance saidit just seems strange to me that nobody is willing to consider it at all, as even a possibilityI'm not nobody !Do you not think there is a difference between a person like Ruth who was 15 when her father starting using hard drugs with her and in front of her, and encouraging her to have sex with older strangers WINDING UP hanging around the wrong crowdAnd a single mother like Linda who has parents willing to help her stay out of trouble and encourage her not to be in trouble yet consistently throughout her life CHOOSES to be with the wrong crowd??? Those failed strategies are ineffective in bringing about change. That's the point lol. I have read the trial transcripts, I know that site. This marriage too did not prove to be stable and Linda Kasabian returned to stay with her mother in New Hampshire. Both have different conclusions.I don't know what you get from that but I know what I get from that. MY double talk is meant to show there are, at least, two sides to every person's STORY (especially Linda's) AND I don't hate ANYONE, except maybe MYSELF. Granted, not everyone becomes a murderer because of a rough passage in a part of one's life, but to be honest, that's no argument, because some do.But this isn't an appeal to feel sorry for anyone, just an observation that life contains nuances that are neither easy to explain nor simple to dismiss. "I am here because I wanted to tell the truth. AND because Bugliosi, a judicial genius, says those phrases equal an attempt to ignite a Black and White race WAR, we got a HUGE problematic controversy.UNLESS Helter Skelter can make you more money than the word "robbery." AND were there NOT enough "pigs" in Chatsworth ? To me it seems that whatever Pat and Tex thought they were killing people for- would be the motivation or motive for the crime by definition.Even if they realize they were duped later. All they knew is that she was a look out and wasn't asked. Who Is Linda Kasabian? The charges against her were dropped when she agreed to attend a drug counselling session. So if Kasabian stumbles on what he wants and says they arrived at the Polanski residence "4-5 hours after dark". And I find it hard to believe that Bugliosi was so stupid as to not check either, knowing that his case would be seriously compromised if it came out that LK had no valid licence.Incidentally, it was Bugliosi and Bugliosi alone that speculated that the the only reason Linda was along both those nights was because she was the only one left with a valid driving licence, being that Mary was in the clink. As soon as he enters the LaBianca house, ties them up tells them not to worry it is only a robbery he is done. Millie McCormack. I have a terrible habit of taking this too personally. Made me think. It was dark for 4 or 5 hours, after it had been dark.Q. However, if there's one thing I've picked up from Helter Skeptics that I find really valuable, it's to approach this case from a number of different angles, especially angles that are not the standard ones we've been given. Her father was a construction worker and her mother a stay-at-home parent. He wants midnight. Kasabian saw it as an opportunity to flee the ranch (without Tanya). She was the angel in a group of murderous devilsWhen it came to killing, she was, different. There is simply no hard and fast rule for this. How's that? ME thinks there might be a REAL story there. Manson Blog Considers the Brotherhood of Eternal Love Connection to TLB. If she just forgot it at home, I suspect it would be mentioned as having "No license" or "without".Oh and $150,000 sold confession, book deal and promise of immunity from the gas chamber is a sell out move. Funny how his client shortly after turned out to be the best evidence against him. Bitteford, Maine, USA. But she never says she took the wallet, though the general assumption was that she had. As for the night of LaBianca, it's so shrouded in mystery and there are so many questions that I am not exactly sure what his role was. They killed the people 'Because Charlie told us to.'" Did YOU ever THINK "What was HE doing up there?" 'Drunkenness' is perhaps the perfect example of a mental controversy ? You said Krenwinkle said it. (One) - wallet - brown plastic with misc. She spent her whole life getting into trouble. Both maligned by so-called democrats and liberal media with out-of-context quotes. I think there is a tendency to look at Kasabian's involvement through the lens provided by what we know (or believe or have been told to believe ) from where we sit today. You leave it to someone else to decide if someone is lying: judge or jury. But that's a subjective judgement. So according to you people who defend an alleged mass murderer and those who support Trump are the same "idiots". Lynn,I love a story with a good narrator and Bill's voice is excellent for what he does. Her Other Children Bob Kasabian I have for the past many years looked at these crimes from the prospective of how I might have handled the defense. That's hardly her doing. Im open to another motive and assuming there probably is one, but cant find the same evidence for it that I can for H/S- all am I saying By the way Dreath - if you have never seen it you can go to Back Porch Tapes and watch the video of Beatrice Berry Show- or Bertrice Berry? That, of course, rather obviously is directed at Charles Manson. From the Watson trial:Q: Now, you know helter skelter involved violence, didn't you?A: Yeah.Q: Did you tell anybody, did you tell Mr. Manson that you didn't want to be part of any violent scheme?A: No.Q: You knew that it involved the killing of people, didn't you?A: But I didn't know that that was our part in it.Q: What did you think your part was going to be?A: Well, that when helter skelter came to the city, when the blacks and whites were getting it in the city, and the city was burning, we were supposed to go in the dune buggies, with the children and bring them back to the home in the desert.Susan was the one that tied the murders to HS when she spoke with her cellmates but none of them went out on the night of August 8th to consciously ignite it. The question is why would Atkins leave Sharon, alive and alone, in the house to take this little stroll? Needless to say, they knew the defense would try and destroy her. St Circumstance saidBut not Linda. I'm kinda thinkn' there were plenty of precursors, gleefully ignored, or dismissed.Linda's report cards packed with A's and B's? She is currently sixty nine years old. I agree with your comment about multiple angles. A month before he was even on the case, the police had Charles Manson down as a suspect and things were unravelling.Not only that, they all happened to be dramatic and under the surfaces lurks alternative and more reasonable possibilitiesAll happened to be dramatic ? After that it is Bugliosi, not Kasabian who is testifying. We can listen to Schrek and George and the others who came later claiming to have talked to everyone around the actual killers.Or we can listen to the animals who actually did it?????? Maybe around the middle of the night. I liked your book and you- but don't agree with your conclusions :). This comment has been removed by the author. When Patti Tate asks Good why her sister had to die. It's always the Charlie supporters who make those statements and spread those stories about other motives. Or even implicate him.Based upon what ex-members recently revealed about the Hinman murder and DeCarlo, the maker who interviewed these people believes that DeCarlo should and hopefully WILL be charged with conspiracy to commit murder. If you really want my opinion- to me it confirms she had no intention of testifying. Robert Hendrickson saidI wonder IF her previously hidden past was NOT fairly typical for many young folks brought up in almost meaningless environments all across America IF you actually take a peek behind the headlines - Oh what a different perspective you might findI think this is the case. After a day at the ranch, Linda returned to Topanga Canyon, retrieved her belongings, stole $5,000 from Melton, came back to Spahn's and joined the family. But Pat's "Rise" and "Death to pigs" is arguably the Family's calling card and one of the main pointers to Charlie. Sorry. There was little to tie Charlie to the crimes. Dreath saidWhen you get to the heart of it, it is Bugliosi who says the motive was HS (+ megalomania+ anti-social hatred of the establishment+ lust for murderIt starts as being the other way around, HS being last on the list. How do we know she didn't take part in some act of violence?However, when you go on to say but to the jury back in 1969, it was. So WHY was Bugliosi and or the DA so obsessed with getting Charles Manson instead ?Bottom line question Robert; do you think Manson was guilty as charged or not ? Until you examine it. look at there high school pics- they had the same kid of background as me lol. Before I graduated my draft lottery number was 289. I remember one of the things that made reading Kasabian's testimony so hard to read were the number of objections and bench conferences. The price for everyone else was horrific. It was the general consensus at the end of '69/start of '70 that the prosecution had a very weak case. It must have taken a lot of time and effort to research and put this post together. Perhaps I'm cynical, and she found joy sponge bathing a freshly soiled senior. This guy said she carried a knife eith her at all times linda was still frightened of manson family finfing her. How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the group. :-), "When they go low- I get high"or something like that lol. She swore before a Grand Jury, that under the direction of Charlie Manson, she stabbed actress Sharon Tate to death and had participated in the murder of music teacher Gary Hinman.During her grand jury testimony, Atkins testified that there was no limit to what . I believe she was not and the same applies on my end. Does this not happen in many, many court cases ? That said there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wants (and gets away with it). Atkins herself made that point in "The Myth" Furthermore, Charlie was never charged with attempted murder for any of the other incidents on LaBianca night. Also Known As: Linda Darlene Kasabian, Linda Darlene Drouin, Spouse/Ex-: Robert Peasley (m. 1965 div.. 1966). Linda married Robert Peasley when she was only sixteen-years-old. Mr. Kasabian had abandoned her and their child in Los Angeles while he went off to South America. Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. Ruth's Mum wasn't in agreement with Dean and his changes. But NOW, "drunkenness" is considered to be the by-product of a DISEASE. Some things I read even suggested physical abuse. Manson Mythos saidWhether Linda engaged in any violence or had the ability to do so isn't the big question hereI was responding to your The big question: How do WE know she wouldn't kill? ID of S.E. SorryDo no such thing ! I have also enjoyed all of the comments related to this postlove all of the insights. When I put this thing together while the high school stuff was fun, for me the heart of the matter was the 'Odyssey' article. var part1 = "gw"; He also went on to say that he preferred Linda as she hadn't killed anyone but because of the grand jury deal, was stuck with Susan.Interestingly, even with Susan, he simply had no case against Linda. When her second marriage, to Armenian American Robert Kasabian, began to sour, Kasabian and her baby daughter, Tanya, returned to New Hampshire to live with Linda's mother. People who developed life long drinking and smoking weeds habbits as 15 and 16 year old's with no steady parental influence. Her background should have had a greater impact. Why any of them were picked isn't really relevant is it ? She spent her whole life getting into trouble. document.write(part3 + ''); And so on. So even if Kasabian was a Hippy, when pared down to essentials, Hippiedom was hardly presented as an advert for something wholesome. She was a witness for the District Attorney, Vincent Bugliosi. Robert Hendrickson posted: AND now look at Donald Trump's legal "draft dodging" exploits and how THEY are going to lead to the EXPOSURE of many notable "closet cowards" amongst our sacred "establishment." Because her fashions were different. And more than any other witness, Linda Kasabian's testimony helped convict Charles "Tex" Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten, and Charles Manson. The brackets are my comments. She later became the prosecutions chief witness against Charles Manson and his followers after the 1969Tate-LaBianca murders. Bugliosi said that was the ONLY reason she was "picked". Secondlyhow did the jury know she was different? Maybe you should judge what you think based on your own heart and not others. Again, Dreath, very interested in your knowledge- the information you are sharing is very refreshing. Linda Kasabian grew up in New England, dropped out of high school and drifted around the country. The woman disappeared and she and Susan had to go looking for her ~ and never found her until they got back to the car and there she was, their lookout ! You are all welcome. [This is very good lawyering. Nothing devious. It is time to bring the world-wide struggle- the war, back to the US to raise up the black man and bring down capitalism. Well done. !we don't need her kids,either! The reporters ? His questioning of her at the Grand jury didn't minimize the horrors of what she was about. On August 8, 1969, Linda was selected to drive the killers to the Tate residence because she had the only valid driver's license. Prosecution ? But it also denotes the paradox that was the Family. Linda Kasabian; however, stuck to her testimony. He is expressing his opinion just like RH, me, you, Saint, etc. Susan Denise Atkins aka Sadie Mae Glutz . She gives so much info on that murder, both the before, the during and the after. var part2 = "mansonblog.com"; As long as that question hung in the air unanswered, the jury would have a hard time believing Linda Kasabian and Bugliosi's claim that out of all these people who were fully ready, willing and able to murder for Charles Manson, there was one out of the group who happened to be an angel who thought it was simply a "creepy crawl mission".Not only did he answer that question, there was an entire scenario where not only was she asked and had a weapon put in her hand, but one in which she also proved to be a hero and thwart the plan and save a life! All is goodI do believe she was largely accurate for the parts that mattered. Could Watson Have Conspired With Suzan LaBerge??? There is an interesting quote from Fleischmann in an issue of the Free Press prior to Kasabian becoming the star witness. The Vietnam WAR and those that "served" and those that didn't is NOW becoming a subject of contention. About what time did you arrive at the place?A (by Kasabian). Blacks and whites died in roughly the same proportion as percentages in the general population. What does that refer to ? But wait a minute Grim, Atkins never mentions this event to the Grand Jury, not a word. Linda got her justice in another manner that's all lolThe real Losers in the entire saga are the victims and their families. One either believes it or one doesn't. But not every brain is wired the same - our neurotransmitters are just ridiculously different in everyone. He wants Rudy Weber and the hose at 1:00 but most of all he wants Tim Ireland's description of the scream before 1:00. I do not think that Charles Manson masterminded or ordered the Tate-LaBianca murders. I don't like what Hitler did or represents in the wider scheme of things but I can see the good side he had in terms of helping Germany back from it's collective knees after what happened with Versailles. Charlie went back to where he'd spent most of his life; I don't believe that he wanted to be there but I think he's long been pragmatic about jail. But1. Great job. Linda, who was found, possessing methamphetamine, avoided a jail sentence by attending drug-counseling classes. The trial ? Look at what Malcolm X had said and look at what the Black Panthers are saying in 1969. The Last of the Manson Girls, Sharon Tate-The Biography Sharon Tate Book 2011, The Manson File- Myth and Reality of an Outlaw Shaman, Vanity Fair April 2011 interview w/Charlie in Spanish. And she said, "It's too late." Leslie and Linda did not grow up any worse than thousands of other kids. On August 11, 1969, Manson instructed Linda to bring a message to the jailed Sandy Good, Mary Brunner, and Bobby Beausoleil. The idea of Charles Manson symbolizing evil is daft to me ~ even though I think he is guilty of what he was convicted for. If Kanarek had handled this properly they never would have heard it. This post piqued my interest.have not really commented in the past few years but Dreath, great investigative work. So WHY go the distance. She was granted full immunity from prosecution in exchange for 18 days of testimony. How perfect. And there are events that logically it seems she had to see that she says she didn't. ]THE COURT: Overruled. Linda on the other hand, understood it on a level but it hadn't taken a major grip on her consciousness. But the people who count are the ones who did the crime. Then I put it together with Irving Kanarek bringing June Emmers down to testify as to what a liar Linda was and some of the other things the defence exposed about her and despite Robert's point about the guy that spent 30 years inside because his lawyer never had his gun checked to see whether the bullets matched, I find it extremely difficult to believe that she was going to lie about the licence, especially as it was so easy to check on it and it would have severely dented her credibility. It is time for the oppressed minorities and especially the black man to throw off the continued vestiges of slavery and seize what is rightfully theirs- take back the fruits of their 200 years of slave labor. Crucially, Sadie came out, spoke, watched Tex hit Wogiciech then ran back in again. Like any human story, it's the fusion of darkness and light and all those paradoxes and nuances that have kept it so gripping for so long. In August 1969, she was instructed by Charles Manson to carry a knife, a change of clothing, and her drivers license and drive the family members Charles Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, and Patricia Krenwinkel to 10050 Cielo Drive, the residence of famous director Roman Polanski and his eight-months-pregnant wife, Sharon Tate. And then there are universal "changes" in "perceptions" that take place over extended time. That is exactly what Leslie Van Houton was charged and CONVICTED for.One intelligent Prosecutor, One competent Defense Attorney, One Judicially savy Judge and WHO really cares what a bunch of "moon rocks" THINK - it was a "robbery. After the trials you have 'the' motive and it is in their best interest to jump on the band wagon. His closing argument, like the closing argument of any attorney, is just that 'argument'. 2. Besides the motives of Manson's passion for violent death and his extreme anti-establishment state of mind, the evidence in this trial will show that there was a further motive for these murders." By his closing argument, he calls it the main and principle one ! Dec. 3, 1969, Concord, N.H. - Linda Kasabian, right, covers her face as Los Angeles Police woman Joan Simpson escorts her from Court House to start the trip back to California. Do you hate everyone who was of draft age during the Vietnam era. Not because I'm being argumentative {after all, I am the current holder of the Consensusinidem award of the most pedantic know it all on the TLB blogs } but because I'm curious.Her background should have had a greater impact Well, during the 11 days she was grilled by the defence, we learn a lot of stuff about Linda Kasabian. I don't like that Martin Luther King was supposedly caught on tape cheating on his wife but even if true, it wouldn't invalidate some of the good things he did. Her father, Rosaire, was a construction worker and the family faced financial difficulties. These savage murders were not committed to effectuate a robbery. They were to be the vanguard the race war. She's the better alternative to a man who says "mean things".I will say Donald Trump and Manson are very similar. How could you skip that? The good guys are the victims, the bad guys are the killers. It's intriguing if nothing else. AustinAnn74 earlier pointed out, regarding Linda, What if she wouldn't have testified? She was guilty of several traffic violation and was became partially disabled after a car accident. I hope I do thatI think you do.This is a good piece. Everyone can form their own about Linda. My apologies Dreath. I gotta say I lean to the Saint here. When things didn't work out with Bob, Linda decided to go with Gypsy back to Spahn's Ranch. Testifying before the jury that it was all them and Charlie had nothing to do with it isn't exactly the best way to demonstrate the prosecutor was wrong. That matters to me, They have a need for HS to be wrong. But they also shine a light on the crimes themselves. The family often had financial difficulties because of her father's low income. St Circumstance saidThey have a need for HS to be wrong. So that is another mystery.All in all, I'd say what he could/should have been charged with doesn't add up to a life in prison and being America's poster boy for evil.I'll also say I don't think the case was handled properly and that he was used by various people for political and personal ambitions and while he is no angel, I don't think he is all bad and find him to be far smarter than the average idiot you deal with on a day to day basis. Squeaky Fromme, David K Frazier. I would have likely done the exact same thing. So that's who I listen to. Early on at least however, Atkins was under the impression that doing whatever Tex told them to do meant "Charlie has instructed, OK'd and ratified this. Linda Kasabian, the one member of the Manson Family who escaped jail, now lives a quiet life in in Tacoma, Washington. She's not the reason why some black males are serving life for Marijuana. After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get out. I love Bill Kurtis, just the way he would say "body" (somewhere between body and buddy, so I can imagine his pronunciation of Linda's last name would be intriguing. And even during that phase, they tried to paint her as the mastermind, but no one even attempted to say she killed anyone. She was Yana the Fatty in high school I see. Manson Mythos saidif you believe what is written in the Guinn book, while she didn't say Kasabian engaged in any violent acts, she claims she didn't do any of what she said on the stand. Kasabian Thought for the Day: If Watson is attacking Voytek.."And while this was going on, the man had gotten up, and I saw Tex on top of him, hitting him on the head and stabbing him, and the man was struggling,"And Krenwinkel is chasing Abigail"then I saw Katie in the background with the girl, chasing after her with an upraised knife,"And this is was happening thirty feet outside the door.. "And then Sadie came running out of the house, and I said, "Sadie, please make it stop." And if so, in what context ? If it took Clem 2 years to clear the drug residue from his head and Susan 5 years to be thinking clearly and Gypsy a decade to free her mind of Charlie & Spahn and if Brooks can say Charlie had a vice grip on his mind and if Tex can admit that he ran away then came back, then ran away finally then still made his way back, was somehow drawn back, then you can see that young people aged 20~23 weren't going to suddenly switch back to pre~rebel thinking and self preservation and put it all on Tex when he was part of the Family. Because there was no doubt that I knew that what was ever going to happen here was not going to be good.
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